# VTOL Frame hint for beginner **URL:** \ **Category:** PX4 Autopilot\ **Created:** [November 27, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979 "2017-11-27T14:27:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/andreas_hoffmann/32/3467_2.png) [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/u/Andreas_Hoffmann)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/1 "2017-11-27T14:27:48Z")
Hi all, I would like to get some knowledge in the AREA of VTOLs. Do you have any suggestions for a cheap but usable VTOL Frame where I could get some “Hands on”? I do not have any requirements on the frame and it may be a DIY-Frame. Thanks for any feedback. ---
**Author:** ![AlexandreBorowczyk](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/alexandreborowczyk/32/12383_2.png) [@AlexandreBorowczyk](https://discuss.px4.io/u/AlexandreBorowczyk)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/2 "2017-11-27T14:52:04Z")
Bind & Fly: [https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/airplanes-14501--1/bind-n-fly/convergence-vtol-bnf-basic-efl11050](https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/airplanes-14501--1/bind-n-fly/convergence-vtol-bnf-basic-efl11050) Only draw back is that there is little space to do some modification. ---
**Author:** ![Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/andreas_hoffmann/32/3467_2.png) [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/u/Andreas_Hoffmann)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/3 "2017-11-27T15:49:25Z")
Hi Alexandre, thanks for the link. Maybe I should be a bit mot specific. It should be a Pixhawk Flightcontroller in order to gain some Experience with VTOL Configurations. If it is possible to adapt the Product to take a Pixhawk this would be a possible way to go. ---
**Author:** ![AlexandreBorowczyk](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/alexandreborowczyk/32/12383_2.png) [@AlexandreBorowczyk](https://discuss.px4.io/u/AlexandreBorowczyk)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/4 "2017-11-27T21:07:59Z")
Sorry I should have been more clear, you can use the e-flight convergence airframe with the px4 flight stack. [https://docs.px4.io/en/frames\_vtol/vtol\_tiltrotor\_eflite\_convergence\_pixfalcon.html](https://docs.px4.io/en/frames_vtol/vtol_tiltrotor_eflite_convergence_pixfalcon.html) ---
**Author:** ![dposea](https://discuss.px4.io/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@dposea](https://discuss.px4.io/u/dposea)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:54am UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/5 "2018-06-01T09:54:42Z")
I’m working on a new toy and if it works you can all have one. I decided to make a convergence clone at twice the size. I should have cad plans for foamcutting done this week, then I’ll need to find someone to cut the wings and fuse. I may just rough cut the first prototype. I kept hoping someone else would make a much larger plane/drone, but only commercial stuff is available. The reason I’m posting is because I may end up with a new design instead, most likely with one prop in front and two i back. Can the current code hand le that? I will post images / files when they are ready. ---
**Author:** ![Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/andreas_hoffmann/32/3467_2.png) [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/u/Andreas_Hoffmann)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/6 "2018-09-11T12:32:13Z")
So in the End, this is what we did. Volantex Ranger EX with 4 Motors, as described in the PX4 Docs page 😉 ![](https://discuss.px4.io/uploads/default/original/2X/9/90e10a6ee420d9edd7f42bbd2ed0e14293a189b2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/rollys/32/2081_2.png) [@rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/u/rollys)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/7 "2018-09-11T13:51:10Z")
> [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](#): > > So in the End, this is what we did. Volantex Ranger EX with 4 Motors, as described in the PX4 Docs page It’s a good choice. Lots of capabilities for different kinds of payloads, if that’s your intention. I did one about a year ago. If you haven’t yet seen or run across some of this, you might want to consider some of these mods. - [Guy wire mod](https://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/quadplane-conversion-of-volantex-ranger-ex-part-2/18841/43?u=rollys). The wing twists considerably during [transition from MC to FW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhIcdALnXk0). - Start with the CG 10mm farther back than stock and work your way from there. I think mine is already at 15mm farther. - Changed my prop to an APC 10x5P. The theory is based on [this](https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=40111738&postcount=5805) and [this](https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36847371&postcount=5135) and [this](https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36848825&postcount=5142). - [Reinforce](https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35650799&postcount=4696) the motor mount. - You can see the evolution of mine [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt34DzFWXM&list=PL_2p7BobBGNLe6VfNhDcncKtqw01sdxrn). Looking forward to some video of yours. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/andreas_hoffmann/32/3467_2.png) [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/u/Andreas_Hoffmann)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/8 "2018-09-11T14:10:44Z")
Just have a small one of my 2nd Front-Transition 😉 It is ok just with Stock-Values, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/rollys/32/2081_2.png) [@rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/u/rollys)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/9 "2018-09-11T14:15:01Z")
> [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](#): > > It is ok just with Stock-Values, don’t you think? Yes, it looks good. Maybe you provide more specs of your build, firmware, etc. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/rollys/32/2081_2.png) [@rollys](https://discuss.px4.io/u/rollys)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/10 "2018-09-11T14:16:07Z")
> [@dposea](#): > > I decided to make a convergence clone at twice the size. Just curious how your project is progressing. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/user_avatar/discuss.px4.io/andreas_hoffmann/32/3467_2.png) [@Andreas\_Hoffmann](https://discuss.px4.io/u/Andreas_Hoffmann)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://discuss.px4.io/t/vtol-frame-hint-for-beginner/4979/11 "2018-09-11T14:28:36Z")
Sure, I was following the Guide on PX4 but noticed that some parts are no longer available. So I used NTM 28-36 1200kV for the Lift Motors with HobbyKing 10x5 Thin E-Props. They are driven by DYS XSD 30A V2 ESC with BLHeliS. Flightcontroller is a Dropix from Drotek as well as the GPS (uBlox 8M from Drotek). The Airspeed Sensor is from mRo. Flight Battery is a 4S 3500mAh LiPo. Mechanically the construction is very close to the PX4 Page. No reinforcements so far (except the carbon Plate reaches from the Lifter-arm to the nacelle), but I have seen that it would be good make the whole construction a bit more rigid. Firmware was PX4 1.7.3 Master Build.